Dale Creekmur wrote:
> Why would anyone want to use hypodermic needles to carve stamps? I
> just don't get the point!
>
> -mtcobra
>
>


Hehehe, good pun.

Basically, you use the needles just as you would an X-Acto knife. They
have a super sharp, super fine point and I understand they work well for
very small detail work.

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McCarthy was RIGHT!

I still dont get the point! A knife has an edge, a needle a point. Cant
see slicing through some soft speedball material with a needle. Now, if you
could use it like a steel straw poke it into the carving medium hold
your finger over the end to create a vacuum, then pull up, producing a
perfect, albeit small, circle cut into the speedball, well, then maybe. Or,
maybe youre supposed to fill the hypodermic with some solution that will
harden later, and inject your stamp where you carved too much away, and pump
back to fill the mistake? I dont think so. Sorry to be a pain, but I just
cant see it.

Thanks, Nathan, for trying to explain.

But, as to availability, are these needles youre referring to anything like
what diabetics use for insulin? Can those (which my bro-in-law disposes of,
three times a day) be used? A thought.

-MTCobra


On 1/8/08 12:53 PM, "Nathan Brown" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Dale Creekmur wrote:
>
>> > I don't get the point!
>> >
>> > -mtcobra
>> >
>> >
>
> Hehehe, good pun.
>
> Basically, you use the needles just as you would an X-Acto knife. They
> have a super sharp, super fine point and I understand they work well for
> very small detail work.


--
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Be aware that needles require a prescription to have/obtain in many states.
I personally would not be discussing the procurement of such on a list like
this. To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a violation
of the DEA controlled substances act.


Boston Rott

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of MTCobra
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:10 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

I still dont get the point! A knife has an edge, a needle a point. Cant
see slicing through some soft speedball material with a needle. Now, if you
could use it like a steel straw poke it into the carving medium hold
your finger over the end to create a vacuum, then pull up, producing a
perfect, albeit small, circle cut into the speedball, well, then maybe. Or,
maybe youre supposed to fill the hypodermic with some solution that will
harden later, and inject your stamp where you carved too much away, and pump
back to fill the mistake? I dont think so. Sorry to be a pain, but I just
cant see it.

Thanks, Nathan, for trying to explain.

But, as to availability, are these needles youre referring to anything like
what diabetics use for insulin? Can those (which my bro-in-law disposes of,
three times a day) be used? A thought.

-MTCobra


On 1/8/08 12:53 PM, "Nathan Brown" wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Dale Creekmur wrote:
>
>> > I don't get the point!
>> >
>> > -mtcobra
>> >
>> >
>
> Hehehe, good pun.
>
> Basically, you use the needles just as you would an X-Acto knife. They
> have a super sharp, super fine point and I understand they work well for
> very small detail work.


--
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the needle's edge is beveled (angle cut) not round.
and larger bore needles have a larger and VERY sharp
edge rather like a scalpel. smaller bore needles
would be wonderful for detail work. (and just to mess
w/ your heads large bore needles have smaller numbers
and vice versa).

insulin syringes would be very small bore so that they
hurt less when you jab them into yourself. ouch!!!
but maybe too small for a carving tool???

antimony


--- MTCobra wrote:

> I still dont get the point! A knife has an edge, a
> needle a point. Cant
> see slicing through some soft speedball material
> with a needle. Now, if you
> could use it like a steel straw poke it into the
> carving medium hold
> your finger over the end to create a vacuum, then
> pull up, producing a
> perfect, albeit small, circle cut into the
> speedball, well, then maybe. Or,
> maybe youre supposed to fill the hypodermic with
> some solution that will
> harden later, and inject your stamp where you carved
> too much away, and pump
> back to fill the mistake? I dont think so. Sorry
> to be a pain, but I just
> cant see it.
>
> Thanks, Nathan, for trying to explain.
>
> But, as to availability, are these needles youre
> referring to anything like
> what diabetics use for insulin? Can those (which my
> bro-in-law disposes of,
> three times a day) be used? A thought.
>
> -MTCobra
>
>
> On 1/8/08 12:53 PM, "Nathan Brown"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Creekmur wrote:
> >
> >> > I don't get the point!
> >> >
> >> > -mtcobra
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> > Hehehe, good pun.
> >
> > Basically, you use the needles just as you would
> an X-Acto knife. They
> > have a super sharp, super fine point and I
> understand they work well for
> > very small detail work.
>
>
> --
> Always remember that youre unique. Just like
> everyone else.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>



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Here in Iowa you can buy them at any 'farm and fleet' store, or any store that sells pet and/or livestock stuff. I could tell you more than a dozen stores around here you can buy them at. I have several in different sizes in the garage right now (they come in handy for stuff now and then). I am excited to go home and try carving with them! :)

Lisa - of the HowD girls

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gretchen Caldwell
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:38 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving



Be aware that needles require a prescription to have/obtain in many states.
I personally would not be discussing the procurement of such on a list like
this. To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a violation
of the DEA controlled substances act.

Boston Rott

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of MTCobra
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:10 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

I still dont get the point! A knife has an edge, a needle a point. Cant
see slicing through some soft speedball material with a needle. Now, if you
could use it like a steel straw poke it into the carving medium hold
your finger over the end to create a vacuum, then pull up, producing a
perfect, albeit small, circle cut into the speedball, well, then maybe. Or,
maybe youre supposed to fill the hypodermic with some solution that will
harden later, and inject your stamp where you carved too much away, and pump
back to fill the mistake? I dont think so. Sorry to be a pain, but I just
cant see it.

Thanks, Nathan, for trying to explain.

But, as to availability, are these needles youre referring to anything like
what diabetics use for insulin? Can those (which my bro-in-law disposes of,
three times a day) be used? A thought.

-MTCobra

On 1/8/08 12:53 PM, "Nathan Brown" > wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Dale Creekmur wrote:
>
>> > I don't get the point!
>> >
>> > -mtcobra
>> >
>> >
>
> Hehehe, good pun.
>
> Basically, you use the needles just as you would an X-Acto knife. They
> have a super sharp, super fine point and I understand they work well for
> very small detail work.

--
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To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
violation
> of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
>
> Boston Rott
>

Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.

If you have a feed store or tack store in your area that would be a
good place to ask if they have them on hand.

An alternative to the detail work requiring needles would be to
squeeze a speedball #1 down to a #1/2. Hold the #1 nib in a candle
flame and squeeze down with vice grips while holding a knife blade in
the #1 nib groove with your third hand. Once smaller then resharpen.

Don

-----Original Message-----

To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
violation
> of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
>
> Boston Rott
>

>>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.


Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a
biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation
columns, purification processes, etc.

You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any
reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.

Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles
(not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent
accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.

BostonRott

They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in most states.
They are very readily available.

I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their local
authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.

Gretchen Caldwell wrote:
-----Original Message-----

To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
violation
> of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
>
> Boston Rott
>

>>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.

Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a
biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation
columns, purification processes, etc.

You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any
reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.

Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles
(not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent
accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.

BostonRott









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hahaha...you crack me up.

gwendontoo wrote: Hold the #1 nib in a candle
flame and squeeze down with vice grips while holding a knife blade in
the #1 nib groove with your third hand.


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And that was all I was trying to say. :) Don't assume that they're easily
available............check the laws first. Not worth getting popped on a
DEA charge over something dumb like "carving tools." ;)

Boston Rott

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Debra Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:19 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in most
states.
They are very readily available.

I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their local
authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.

Gretchen Caldwell wrote:

-----Original Message-----

To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
violation
> of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
>
> Boston Rott
>

>>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.

Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a
biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation
columns, purification processes, etc.

You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any
reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.

Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles
(not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent
accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.

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Yep, here in NYS you need a prescription to have needles - if you get
caught without one you are assumed to be a drug addict! (As my wife is
diabetic I have all sorts around - never thought to try them for carving!)

However, you can get them for free from the State (illegal or not) if
you pretend to be a drug addict. How's that for hypocracy!

Check your State laws - in many states they are legal, at least
veterinary needles as mentioned.

Ted
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gretchen Caldwell"
wrote:
>
> Be aware that needles require a prescription to have/obtain in many
states.
> I personally would not be discussing the procurement of such on a
list like
> this. To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
violation
> of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
>
> Boston Rott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of MTCobra
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:10 PM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving
>
> I still dont get the point! A knife has an edge, a needle a point.
Cant
> see slicing through some soft speedball material with a needle.
Now, if you
> could use it like a steel straw poke it into the carving medium hold
> your finger over the end to create a vacuum, then pull up, producing a
> perfect, albeit small, circle cut into the speedball, well, then
maybe. Or,
> maybe youre supposed to fill the hypodermic with some solution that
will
> harden later, and inject your stamp where you carved too much away,
and pump
> back to fill the mistake? I dont think so. Sorry to be a pain,
but I just
> cant see it.
>
> Thanks, Nathan, for trying to explain.
>
> But, as to availability, are these needles youre referring to
anything like
> what diabetics use for insulin? Can those (which my bro-in-law
disposes of,
> three times a day) be used? A thought.
>
> -MTCobra
>
>
> On 1/8/08 12:53 PM, "Nathan Brown" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Creekmur wrote:
> >
> >> > I don't get the point!
> >> >
> >> > -mtcobra
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> > Hehehe, good pun.
> >
> > Basically, you use the needles just as you would an X-Acto knife.
They
> > have a super sharp, super fine point and I understand they work
well for
> > very small detail work.
>
>
> --
> Always remember that youre unique. Just like everyone else.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Is this, Dale, the king of LAME JOKES?

Dale Creekmur wrote: Why would anyone want to use hypodermic needles to carve stamps? I
just don't get the point!

-mtcobra

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Seth Mandeville
wrote:
>
> Well, my sister is a doctor and has access to tons of used needles.






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Here in MD they keep them behind the pharmacy counter, but all you have
to do is request them and they'll sell them to you. I buy them to give
meds to my son via his gtube, but the pharmacists don't know that; I
just go and tell them I want to buy 6 or 10 or 20 insulin syringes and
they bag them up and sell them for about 20 cents each.
Elise

Gretchen Caldwell wrote:

> And that was all I was trying to say. :) Don't assume that they're easily
> available............check the laws first. Not worth getting popped on a
> DEA charge over something dumb like "carving tools." ;)
>
> Boston Rott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Debra Farrell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:19 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving
>
> They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in
> most
> states.
> They are very readily available.
>
> I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their local
> authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.
>
> Gretchen Caldwell > > wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
> violation
> > of the DEA controlled substances act.
> >
> >
> > Boston Rott
> >
>
> >>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
> are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
> otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.
>
> Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a
> biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation
> columns, purification processes, etc.
>
> You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any
> reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.
>
> Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles
> (not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent
> accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.
>
> BostonRott
>
>
>
>
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--I'm not sure if anyone realizes the size of needle we are talking about. An 18 gauge
neeedle is HUGE. Only the most desperate junkie would use one. The little insulin type
needles would not work for carving. I use an 18 mounted in a pin vice for detail work. I
ondered it on-line.

- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Elise Cohen wrote:
>
> Here in MD they keep them behind the pharmacy counter, but all you have
> to do is request them and they'll sell them to you. I buy them to give
> meds to my son via his gtube, but the pharmacists don't know that; I
> just go and tell them I want to buy 6 or 10 or 20 insulin syringes and
> they bag them up and sell them for about 20 cents each.
> Elise

I was wrong about NYS law - "In May 2000, New York State passed
legislation permitting the sale, purchase, and possession of up to 10
needles and syringes without a prescription" From
http://www.springerlink.com/content/d762674682488876/

Here is a list of the States and the relevant laws:
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/50statesataglance.htm

I find no mention of any specific Federal laws on the subject. The
Feds COULD charge you with possessing "drug paraphenalia" but
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/FederalMemo.htm indicates
that if it is legal in your State they probably wouldn't. They would
have to have a search warrant to find them in your home - just don't
carry them in your car or on your person and you probably are safe
enough. (unless you really do use drugs). Or you can cut the needles
off the syringe and fasten them into a handle and no one would ever
realize what they were anyway.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
> violation
> > of the DEA controlled substances act.
> >
> >
> > Boston Rott
> >
>
> Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
> are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
> otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.
>
> If you have a feed store or tack store in your area that would be a
> good place to ask if they have them on hand.
>
> An alternative to the detail work requiring needles would be to
> squeeze a speedball #1 down to a #1/2. Hold the #1 nib in a candle
> flame and squeeze down with vice grips while holding a knife blade in
> the #1 nib groove with your third hand. Once smaller then resharpen.
>
> Don
>

We are just about at the point of overkill with this hypodermic needles for carving. If you go to any farm supply store, veterinarian who is not too anal, or pharmacy you can get needles. Check out the gauges yourself or just buy a variety of sizes...they are inexpensive. If you are in the suburbs or a rural area just look in the yellow pages under agricultural suppliers, e.g. Farm and Ranch, Farm and Fleet, TSC, Tractor Supply Company. If that is a no go, check grain and feed, grain elevators, feed and seed, farmer's cooperatives, etc. You can surely find some source that sells animal vaccines, antibiotics, etc., and they will sell hypodermics needed to administer these meds.
Next, no you do not need a handle...at the non-pointed end of the needle there will be a wider top, maybe about 1/3 to 1/2 inch kind of a cup deal where the needle attaches to the syringe. You do not need to buy the syringes, just the needles. Just use the needle without a handle. You can buy the needles for about 25 cents each, or they can be purchased by the box...buy them by the case if you want. I went with my son to his place of employment, after hours, chose a selection of different gauges to try, charged them to our farm account, and was home in about half an hour. He works at a farmers cooperative grain elevator. I am a farm wife. If you live in the country, or the suburbs, you don't have a problem. If you are in the city, talk to your pharmacist.
Ted and Kathy Rice wrote: I was wrong about NYS law - "In May 2000, New York State passed
legislation permitting the sale, purchase, and possession of up to 10
needles and syringes without a prescription" From
http://www.springerlink.com/content/d762674682488876/

Here is a list of the States and the relevant laws:
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/50statesataglance.htm

I find no mention of any specific Federal laws on the subject. The
Feds COULD charge you with possessing "drug paraphenalia" but
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/FederalMemo.htm indicates
that if it is legal in your State they probably wouldn't. They would
have to have a search warrant to find them in your home - just don't
carry them in your car or on your person and you probably are safe
enough. (unless you really do use drugs). Or you can cut the needles
off the syringe and fasten them into a handle and no one would ever
realize what they were anyway.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
> violation
> > of the DEA controlled substances act.
> >
> >
> > Boston Rott
> >
>
> Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
> are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
> otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.
>
> If you have a feed store or tack store in your area that would be a
> good place to ask if they have them on hand.
>
> An alternative to the detail work requiring needles would be to
> squeeze a speedball #1 down to a #1/2. Hold the #1 nib in a candle
> flame and squeeze down with vice grips while holding a knife blade in
> the #1 nib groove with your third hand. Once smaller then resharpen.
>
> Don
>






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Just order the things online from Tractor supply.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=&storeId=10551&catalogId=10001&categoryId=14624¤tPage=5&orderBy=4&pageSize=20&ancestors=14602%7c14624



-----Original Message-----
From: Elise Cohen
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

























Here in MD they keep them behind the pharmacy counter, but all you have

to do is request them and they'll sell them to you. I buy them to give

meds to my son via his gtube, but the pharmacists don't know that; I

just go and tell them I want to buy 6 or 10 or 20 insulin syringes and

they bag them up and sell them for about 20 cents each.

Elise



Gretchen Caldwell wrote:



> And that was all I was trying to say. :) Don't assume that they're easily

> available............check the laws first. Not worth getting popped on a

> DEA charge over something dumb like "carving tools." ;)

>

> Boston Rott

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

>

> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

> ]

> On Behalf Of Debra Farrell

> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:19 AM

> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

>

> They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in

> most

> states.

> They are very readily available.

>

> I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their local

> authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.

>

> Gretchen Caldwell
> > wrote:

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a

> violation

> > of the DEA controlled substances act.

> >

> >

> > Boston Rott

> >

>

> >>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you

> are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay

> otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.

>

> Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a

> biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation

> columns, purification processes, etc.

>

> You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any

> reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.

>

> Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles

> (not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent

> accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.

>

> BostonRott

>

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I'm no expert on drug laws, but police officers I've worked with have
said that, at least in Texas, an item will only be considered drug
paraphernalia if there is drug residue found on it. So, for example,
a little pipe would be fine if it were unused or used only for
tobacco. But burn marijuana in it and it becomes paraphernalia. So,
a rubber-smudged needle would not, at least in the eyes of these guys,
be illegal. Just strange.

L.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Ted and Kathy Rice"
wrote:
>
> I was wrong about NYS law - "In May 2000, New York State passed
> legislation permitting the sale, purchase, and possession of up to 10
> needles and syringes without a prescription" From
> http://www.springerlink.com/content/d762674682488876/
>
> Here is a list of the States and the relevant laws:
> http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/50statesataglance.htm
>
> I find no mention of any specific Federal laws on the subject. The
> Feds COULD charge you with possessing "drug paraphenalia" but
> http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/aidspolicy/FederalMemo.htm indicates
> that if it is legal in your State they probably wouldn't. They would
> have to have a search warrant to find them in your home - just don't
> carry them in your car or on your person and you probably are safe
> enough. (unless you really do use drugs). Or you can cut the needles
> off the syringe and fasten them into a handle and no one would ever
> realize what they were anyway.
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
> wrote:
> >
> > To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
> > violation
> > > of the DEA controlled substances act.
> > >
> > >
> > > Boston Rott
> > >
> >
> > Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
> > are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
> > otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.
> >
> > If you have a feed store or tack store in your area that would be a
> > good place to ask if they have them on hand.
> >
> > An alternative to the detail work requiring needles would be to
> > squeeze a speedball #1 down to a #1/2. Hold the #1 nib in a candle
> > flame and squeeze down with vice grips while holding a knife blade in
> > the #1 nib groove with your third hand. Once smaller then resharpen.
> >
> > Don
> >
>

According to the site you list, they're only available in the store, not
online. I'm in Illinois and purchasing syringes/needles is illegal without
a prescription. I give my dogs their vaccinations myself (all except
rabies -- rabies legally has to be done by a vet) and when I buy the
vaccines, I have to send them a prescription from my vet approving my buying
the syringes since I live in a state where a prescription is required even
tho I'm buying the vaccinations from a company in a state where it's not
required.

Now if I were to cross state lines and attempt to buy the syringes in a
state where a prescription isn't needed, I don't know if they'd check my
driver's license or not to check residence.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:29 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving


Just order the things online from Tractor supply.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langI
d=&storeId=10551&catalogId=10001&categoryId=14624¤tPage=5&orderBy=4&pa
geSize=20&ancestors=14602%7c14624



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From: Elise Cohen
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

























Here in MD they keep them behind the pharmacy counter, but all you have

to do is request them and they'll sell them to you. I buy them to give

meds to my son via his gtube, but the pharmacists don't know that; I

just go and tell them I want to buy 6 or 10 or 20 insulin syringes and

they bag them up and sell them for about 20 cents each.

Elise



Gretchen Caldwell wrote:



> And that was all I was trying to say. :) Don't assume that they're easily

> available............check the laws first. Not worth getting popped on a

> DEA charge over something dumb like "carving tools." ;)

>

> Boston Rott

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

>

> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

> ]

> On Behalf Of Debra Farrell

> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:19 AM

> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving

>

> They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in

> most

> states.

> They are very readily available.

>

> I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their local

> authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.

>

> Gretchen Caldwell
> > wrote:

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a

> violation

> > of the DEA controlled substances act.

> >

> >

> > Boston Rott

> >

>

> >>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you

> are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay

> otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.

>

> Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and as a

> biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein separation

> columns, purification processes, etc.

>

> You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription, for any

> reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.

>

> Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real" needles

> (not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent

> accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.

>

> BostonRott

>

>

>

>

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I live in Iowa and have an in-law that works at a pharmacy in
Davenport. They have diabetics come over all the time. So, at least
not to the west. Can't speak for your other neighbors.

I think as has been eluded to before...probably the best, most
consistent, advice is for everyone to just check locally to be sure
and let this topic die in the peaceful cyber abyss of the Internet.

:)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "xxxxxxxx" wrote:
>
> According to the site you list, they're only available in the store, not
> online. I'm in Illinois and purchasing syringes/needles is illegal
without
> a prescription. I give my dogs their vaccinations myself (all except
> rabies -- rabies legally has to be done by a vet) and when I buy the
> vaccines, I have to send them a prescription from my vet approving
my buying
> the syringes since I live in a state where a prescription is
required even
> tho I'm buying the vaccinations from a company in a state where it's not
> required.
>
> Now if I were to cross state lines and attempt to buy the syringes in a
> state where a prescription isn't needed, I don't know if they'd check my
> driver's license or not to check residence.
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of RMORGAN762@...
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:29 PM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving
>
>
> Just order the things online from Tractor supply.
>
>
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langI
>
d=&storeId=10551&catalogId=10001&categoryId=14624¤tPage=5&orderBy=4&pa
> geSize=20&ancestors=14602%7c14624
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elise Cohen
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 3:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here in MD they keep them behind the pharmacy counter, but all you have
>
> to do is request them and they'll sell them to you. I buy them to give
>
> meds to my son via his gtube, but the pharmacists don't know that; I
>
> just go and tell them I want to buy 6 or 10 or 20 insulin syringes and
>
> they bag them up and sell them for about 20 cents each.
>
> Elise
>
>
>
> Gretchen Caldwell wrote:
>
>
>
> > And that was all I was trying to say. :) Don't assume that they're
easily
>
> > available............check the laws first. Not worth getting
popped on a
>
> > DEA charge over something dumb like "carving tools." ;)
>
> >
>
> > Boston Rott
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>
> > ]
>
> > On Behalf Of Debra Farrell
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:19 AM
>
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com

>
> > Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Hypodermic Needles for Carving
>
> >
>
> > They are not illegal in have in Ohio. I don't think they're illegal in
>
> > most
>
> > states.
>
> > They are very readily available.
>
> >
>
> > I would suggest that people who want to use them check with their
local
>
> > authorities to see if there is any issue with them, if in doubt.
>
> >
>
> > Gretchen Caldwell >
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
>
> > To have them without a prescription is a federal offense, a
>
> > violation
>
> > > of the DEA controlled substances act.
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Boston Rott
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >>Possession may not necessarily be a violation of Federal law. If you
>
> > are possessing needles for veterinary use then that is certainly okay
>
> > otherwise many small farm farmers would be in jail.
>
> >
>
> > Not in Massachusetts it's not. I tell you this as a paramedic, and
as a
>
> > biochemist who used to require needles for things like protein
separation
>
> > columns, purification processes, etc.
>
> >
>
> > You can not buy needles anywhere in MA, without a prescription,
for any
>
> > reason. It is violation of DEA laws to be in possession with same.
>
> >
>
> > Take a look around any MA ED these days and notice that the "real"
needles
>
> > (not the current needleless systems that most hospitals use to prevent
>
> > accidental sticks) are kept under lock and key, with the narcs.
>
> >
>
> > BostonRott
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "xxxxxxxx"
> According to the site you list, they're only available in the store, not
> online. I'm in Illinois and purchasing syringes/needles is illegal without
> a prescription. I give my dogs their vaccinations myself (all except
> rabies -- rabies legally has to be done by a vet) and when I buy the
> vaccines, I have to send them a prescription from my vet approving my buying
> the syringes since I live in a state where a prescription is required even
> tho I'm buying the vaccinations from a company in a state where it's not
> required.
>
> Now if I were to cross state lines and attempt to buy the syringes in a
> state where a prescription isn't needed, I don't know if they'd check my
> driver's license or not to check residence.

If you go somewhere that they are considered legal, nobody will check you to make sure you are a citizen of their state. That's not the way the laws work.
But you might be in real trouble if you get caught taking them over state lines to a state that has some crazy anti-needle policy.